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Bre
Hello. Welcome to another episode of 3 Talk Truth. Today Thilo is jumping off the microphone, and our friend, Ank is jumping on the microphone. So we still have just three here and our topic today is going to be, the home-church, and specifically the biblical basis for the home-church. This is not a radical emergent church idea.“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
No, not at all.

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Bre
„Something that’s clearly practiced in the Bible. So Ank Kleinmeulman…“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
No, not at all.

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Bre
„…from the Netherlands and we actually just met her and her husband Wil. They came to visit some people in Berlin and we were blessed enough to have them in our house. Ank and Will have been married for 44 years.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Right.

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Bre
„They have 5 children and 8 grandchildren.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Applause please!

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Bre
Yes! And they are the European Overseers for “Church Without Walls International” which is a global network of home churches. And I’m going to say the web page here, so if your ears are tickled throughout this podcast, you can come back to this point and check it out. So, if you’re in Europe, it’s cwowi.eu or cwowi.org. And if you’re in the United States, or you just want to look at the general web page, it’s supernaturalhousechurch.org

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Right. CWOWI stands for Church Without Walls International, in case you’re wondering what it is.

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Kim
Interestingly enough, Bre and I have been doing Home Church at least 11 or 12 years but we were flying by the seat of our pants. We started in the United States, after maybe reading one book and just some friends, we wanted to do it. And we’ve done it and we’ve always had some questions, we’ve always received a lot of criticism. We knew it changed our lives, we knew God blessed us. It felt right but, as I said, we often weren’t sure or questioned sometimes and it’s wonderful to have somebody here to speak, to answer questions. And the other interesting thing is we had a home church after we started our ministry in Berlin. It was in a cafe that we had and we called it Church Without Walls.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That is funny, isn’t it.

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Kim
Yes! Yes, and so it’s wonderful to have someone here with a real professional church without walls!

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Ank Kleinmeulman
We have the ‘I’ international. Just kidding.

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Bre
So, you haven’t always been in home church either?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
No.

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Bre
I think you said you’ve been active about 14 years?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yes, since 2004.

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Bre
So for about 14 years.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yes.

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Bre
Okay. But obviously, you’ve been a Christian longer.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Bre
So tell us your process.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, well my whole life, I’ve been a Christian. I know the Lord and I talk to Him since I was a child. Actually when I met my husband and we got married we served in a church. It was a wonderful church at that time and was founded by a Swedish missionary. He was really a man of God. He had a heart of a Pastor to care for people. He prayed a lot for people and we saw many miracles. It was in the 70’s you had like the Jesus people and many people who were born again, stuff like that. And I do remember 1980, He had a word for us because my husband just started working in a Christian bookshop and there were some struggles and that was actually spoken by the Swedish Pastor and one of the things he mentioned was, okay, to carry on, to be faithful with what we were doing. And then he said, ‘The testimonies of my first witness will also be the testimonies of my last witnesses’. And it appeared that we would be part of those last witness’s, meaning the thing in Acts, you know when you read the book of Acts, the things they witnessed, they did, they saw, that we would be part of that too. And in my mind, it was all most about miracles, you know, people were healed in the shadow of Peter. Many people were born again and stuff like that. And we were excited about it but it took awhile, it took a long time before we ever saw it!

Life goes on and we were faithful in the church and then later on we had to move. My husband had another position in another bookshop. That came to a certain point at an end and we were praying, “Lord there is still that promise and how does that go!” Did we miss you somewhere because sometimes, now we figured out the Lord has more time than we have, you know, but we thought maybe we have missed you somewhere down the road. And then the Lord actually led us to go to a bible school and that was very good for us because we had the principles, the basics of the Word and the love of the word of God printed in our hearts, the word and the Spirit always have to agree. And at the end of the Bible School, we all as students, we prayed for the next step to do and then the Lord spoke to us to take a next step and we wondered what is the next step. Usually it doesn’t say by someone else what the next step is, you know, but you have to pray it out because God works through revelation.

So we prayed for it and then it was revealed to us that we had to go start another work, another barn actually for the harvest. At that moment we were leading elders in a Pentecostal church or, I’m sorry, an Evangelical church and that was weird to say, ‘Okay, we are going to start something else’ but it took like 5-6 months and then we did church as we were used to do. We just rented a school building and we set up the sound system and then our son could play guitar, he did the guitar. Of course my husband was the preacher and I could play piano and our kids they went by with the basket, the offering basket. Actually, we started with, I think our oldest daughter was already married. My Father had passed away so we were with 7 or 8 people. And we did it like 3 or 4 years and it was good because we were doing what we were supposed to do! But at the end it felt like we are not really hitting the mark exactly, you know not the bull’s eye but we are close. So we prayed for it and there was someone else that had a word from the Lord for us and said, ‘Well, the Lord says you have to change something,’ and we would say, ‘Yes, actually we know but we don’t know what!’

Our heart was alway for young people so at first we thought maybe we should focus on young people maybe move to Saturday evenings but nothing really clicked on our hearts. And then not long after that….of course you pray and say, ‘Lord please reveal because we can’t do anything when you don’t show us what to do.’ So, not long after that we had some visitors, some friends of us coming over. Sophie? and her husband, they had lived in the states for awhile, they had gone to bible school and come back to the Netherlands and they asked us a question, ‘Have you ever heard of John Fenn?’ and we said, “No, never heard about him.” And then they said, “Well, he has a web-site. It’s about House Church. Maybe you should check it out.” And somehow that clicked in our spirits and although House Church was not familiar to us at all, but it clicked. So when we were gone, by the way it was not a web-site like nowadays, but there were a lot of teaching and scriptures about House Church, about how John came to do House Church, about how the Lord leaded him.

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Bre
I’m going to interrupt you there.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, that’s fine.

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Bre
And just say,  that John Fenn is an American man who started ‘Church Without Walls International‘…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That’s good that you say that.

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Bre
…as we now call it. I don’t know what it was called then.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
CWOW, we say it for short.

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Bre
And he has lots of teachings on YouTube and articles on his web page that you can find out more. That was the web page that Will and Ank were told about.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, so I read it because I love the word, I was curious and thinking, ‘How can a House Church be biblical? Then I, then both of us experienced, and we saw in the Word that actually the book of Acts, that all those churches that Paul wrote to, they were doing church in the home. And it was like, wow, we went to bible school and never knew that but somehow it clicked and we knew, okay, that’s the change the Lord wants us to do. Go out of the building, go back to our home, which actually felt very good because we’ve done like teenagers and youth groups for many, many years in our home, which was always blessed and we prayed with young people, worshipped, laughed, had fun together and stuff and that was actually our heart. But doing church was, in our mind, in a building. And in our mind it was growth, the more people the better. So then we decided okay, let’s just call him. So we called John and he, we had a lot of talk and he came eventually to The Netherlands and then we decided to do House Church with a little bit of help of him and support and encouragement. That’s how it actually started.

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Bre
Amazing.

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Kim
It is amazing.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, usually, when you, that’s a good thing, when you ask the Lord and your heart is right, what we know how the Lord works, He will hear you, He will steer you. You know, He will bring people on your path and yeah, so that you will finally walk in the perfect will of Him. Of course that was always our hearts – we want your perfect will – not just doing, you know. We are closed with, but excited what you have for us in mind.

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Bre
„Right.”

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Kim
„Right.“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And we know the Lord has more time that we ever thought because we started to do House Church in 2004 and we had that word from the Lord in 1980.

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Bre
„Okay.“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Can you imagine? So many times, we wondered if we are ever going to see things happening but I could tell you the things that we read about in Acts we are starting to see that in our Home Church network. People are being healed in the homes, receive revelation, and uh, yeah seeing the Lord, sometimes the Lord ministering to them. Many more, many wonderful things.

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Kim
A book that Bre and I read early on was a book called, ‘Mega Church’.

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Bre
Megashift.“

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Kim
I’m sorry. Yes, and I can’t remember the name of the author right now but he does a great job explaining how, the way our church looks today, the way it’s structured with the Pastor up in front and the people sitting and listening, and he would call them spectators. He does a really good job tracing that from the Catholic Church and that was really great for me to hear. And he also said the largest demo-graph of church today is Home Church. If you look at China, around the world, there’s more people in Home Church than there are in a building.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
But even in the United States, I heard someone on Facebook, she’s not doing House Church at all and she said, ‘People, I want you to be aware House Church is the number two way people come together as Christians in the United States. But it’s all under the radar’.

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Bre
So ‘Megashift‘ was written by a man named James H. Rutz.

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Kim
Rutz!

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Bre
„So if anybody wants to look at it, you can get that on Amazon.“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
The testimonies of our first witnesses, will also be the testimonies of the last witnesses.

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Kim
…of the last witnesses which makes me wonder, as hard times come, if hard times come in these end times, we need to go back into the home, as well.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, but not just for persecution sake, but the home has always been the way the Lord reveals Himself, in the home. Even the Lord in the garden.

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Kim
Right, that’s right.

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Bre
So, I wanted to talk about your comment about the Home Church groups being under the radar. So, the benefit that I see in the more traditional church is, you know, the web page, the transparency, the big sign, people can see it and so if somebody is, you know, driving down the highway that day and the Spirit calls to them, it’s extremely easy for them to find a body of believers. But if that didn’t exist and they were all in homes, how would that look ideally, for people to have access to those groups.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Mmm. We have a website, I don’t know about other groups. Many more networks of Home Churches, I know that some do not want to be public but most of them do. I think you should just type in ‘Home Church’ or something like that and they will probably find Home Church in your area.

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Bre
Okay.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And we know many people in different nations so if anyone is ever wanting to have a, go to a House Church…

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Bre
Well, I meant more for the non-believer.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah…oh..non-believer.

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Bre
How does the House Church make itself accessible to an unbelieving world?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Well, I hope that the believer’s and the Christian’s in the Home Church are open to their colleagues and their neighbors, you know like it was in the book of Acts. You know people, it’s like the Lord works first in you and then He makes that circle bigger and then your family, your neighbor’s, your colleagues, from there. Starting in Jerusalem, Judea and then all the world. Yeah, so where you are at, you are a witness and people can access you but when, a lot of people when they go to the big church they are not open to their neighbor’s, their family because they are busy in church. But when we start to really be the church and be there for others. When they have a need and you are there. And then they should know that you are there.

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Bre
Yeah, that’s good. I never thought about the church sign and the building and the webpages could become a crutch for us and an excuse for us not to be transparent about our faith and to figure, ‘Oh, they could find it if they wanted it. I don’t have to be the lamppost for them.’“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Because the idea is, okay I have a neighbor or a friend and she wants to know more about the Lord, ‘oh, I bring her to church!’

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Bre
Right, or she’ll see it herself.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, so why do we do that?

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Bre
That’s right. That’s good. You broke down your traditional church model and started, with the help of John Fenn and Church Without Walls, started a Home Church but how is that different or how does that look like in practice.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
In practice, it is like a family coming together, seeking the Lord, praying for one another, sharing meals together. Well, of course you always go the the Word, well the good thing is there are no books how to do Home Church. There are many books how to do church, we have them in our book…, how do you say that? In our library too but there are not books on how to do Home Church and I think that’s good because you have to know from the word what it is. Okay, let’s go to Acts 2. You know, after Pentecost and many people came to the Lord and then it says, in verse 41. Acts 2:41, ‘So those who gladly received His word were baptized that day about 3.000 souls were added to them. They continued steadfastly in the Apostle’s doctrine, fellowship, breaking of bread and prayer.’

So, you see like four things. There was a doctrine, or teaching. So the Apostles, the sent ones, they taught about the Lord, who He is. Fellowship – Koinonia, it says actually in Greek. And then you have the breaking of bread, it includes the Lord’s Supper and a meal together. And prayers and you could say prayers and worship. So those things are important in the House Church, I think and what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14, about when you come together, vs. 26, “How is it then brethren, whenever you come together, each of you can have a Psalm, it’s like a category, it’s like a Psalm, praise and worship, prayer, teaching something, it can be teaching from the Word, it can be something the Lord told you; a song, a revelation – that’s speaking about the gifts of the Spirit – let all things be done for edification. So when you come together, what you do, it’s for edification of one another. Right?

And in our Home Church, we like to shift who’s leading – we call it leading, and then , for instance, when I’m leading one week, then I pray and ask the Lord, ‘What do You want to do next week? What is on Your heart?’ Because the Kingdom of God works by revelation. ‘What is on Your heart?’ and because I am a teacher, oftentimes I have like a teaching but not always, sometimes I just feel led to, ‘Let’s just have a time of worship.’ so that’s what we do and oftentimes it goes on from there and someone says, ‘Well, I have a rough time. Can you pray for me?’ And we start praying for that person and maybe the Lord will reveal something, a word of knowledge or a word of wisdom and from thereon, it goes! So someone just has to start with something, what he feels led to do and then usually we just let the Spirit flow.

And that’s the beauty of House Church  you are not limited to like three or four songs and then the sermon 20 minutes and then you go home. No, and it’s okay to just have for instance praise and worship one morning, or prayer. That’s fine, you don’t have to have all of them, but at a certain point there has to be teaching and at a certain point there has to be prayer and meal is very important, eating together – it’s like the highest form of fellowship – definitely in Jesus time – it’s still in that culture. You know when you have fellowship, you eat, you are close friends together. Yeah, that’s why a lot of people in the Eastern culture are so wounded, are so hurt by the fact that Jesus was betrayed during a meal.

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Bre
Ahh, okay.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Because it’s like, you don’t do that. Those are your really friends, you know, you have a heart connection with Him and then you just betray Him? That’s just not done. So, yeah, fellowship – that’s holy too.

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Kim
Mmm. That’s good. I love your … the way you said that, that was very well said. And just the emphasis on the leading of the Holy Spirit.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, that’s important.

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Kim
I know it’s so easy for us as humans to get stuck into, ‘This is the way we do it.’

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, that’s true.

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Kim
And fall on that and I just know from our own experience, when we’ve been more open to the Spirit – it’s so joyful, so lively, so wonderful and when we’re not doing that, there’s kind of a, a little bit of a monotony might set in and that’s not God and that is the beauty of Home Church. You’re absolutely right.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And even children can lead. We’ve had….our granddaughter lives in the States, she was like 5 or 6 years old right then and they were talking about who will lead next week and she said, ‘I will! I want to do that.’ And they said, ‘Are you sure’ and she said, ‘Yeah, yeah yeah!’ And later on her Father talked to her and said, ‘What are you going to do?’ She said, ‘Well…’ oh and she could read – she must have been 6 years old, she said, ‘I have a story of Jesus I want to read.’ So next week she did. And then she asked everyone, ‘What do you think about this?’ And then a conversation started!

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Kim
That’s beautiful!

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Bre
That’s great! That’s really cool.

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Kim
I know BreAnna would have been a child that really would have wanted to have done that when she was young, and how often we stifle our children. But that wakes them up.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, yeah.

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Kim
That brings them in. And for me, personally, that’s also what I love about Home Church. I love that we can all have a say. I just love that.

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Bre
When I lived in Texas for a year, I went to a really great church. I was filled with the Holy Spirit there for the first time, so I’m not dissing the church but there was a young man in my college group and he felt that he had a call to preach. And he had a message that he wanted to give. And for whatever reason, the Pastor would not let him preach. He asked three times if he could preach, and he was turned down every time. I didn’t know about Home Church, then but I look back on that and it kind of breaks my heart.

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Kim
That’s right.

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Bre
And that young man is not walking with the Lord anymore. Okay so you might say the Pastor saw something but I really think he was hurt and I think if he’d been given the opportunity, maybe things, and he could still come back around but yeah, that was heart-breaking to me.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And I do want to say that we are definitely not against traditional church or coming together with more people in the building, definitely not…

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Kim
Thank you for saying that.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
I know there are people who will always love that and the Lord honors that and meets them wherever they are. But there are people who are dissatisfied and wants more of the Lord, they want the Lord to really work and be unlimited by time and whatever. And that’s what House Church is for, for those people . There are a lot of Christians who’ve left church because they don’t fit in that structure and they are on their own and that’s actually what we are for, to be a home and a safe place for them.

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Kim
Thank you for saying that.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And we are definitely not against, we love church and we’ve been working in the traditional church for many, many years.

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Kim
Right, right.

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Bre
That’s a good aside.

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Kim
Yes.

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Bre
Okay, so, something we’ve encountered, and you’ve probably encountered is that some traditional church leaders are almost violently angry if they find out that we are involved in a Home Church that doesn’t have a big name behind it or doesn’t have somebody who’s been an ordained Pastor and I guess everyone has heard the word, ‘Covering’ you know, ‘Who’s your covering.’ We had a Russian Pastor pound on his bible, once, ‘You cannot do that!’ when he heard what we were doing. So how do you respond to those kind of objections to stepping out of the traditional church structure?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, well you have to see how the House Churches started in the book of Acts. Oftentimes, for instance, the church in Philippi started when Paul and the others were going to the river and there was some women, you know, who were praying and I think it was Lydia who said, ‘Come into my home’ and from therein, it started. So, it was normal that church was in a home. And I understand what people say, ‘You are not connected to anyone.’ And that’s why we are a network, we are connected to one another. So, we are accountable to one another, to the people we know. It’s not like we are accountable to a Pastor or to whatever, ultimately, of course, to God, you know we have to stand before Him and are accountable to Him but you see throughout the whole scripture that you are accountable to one another. That’s actually what the Bible does say, what Jesus teaches, if anyone does anything against you, you know, or offends you or trespass against you, what do you do, you go to that person. If that person doesn’t respond, you take one or two with you, you know and if he still doesn’t respond, you go to the church, meaning the culture where it is, to the others in the church and then you tell the leaders of the church. So, it’s being responsible and accountable to one another. So, the thing of covering, you don’t see that in the word and in the New Testament.

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Bre
Right.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
But you can always say that we are part of a network, or we know Christians and others and we connect together.

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Kim
Speak a bit about leader because that’s kind of… most people when they say, ‘Covering’ they say you have to have a leader over you. Speak a little about that.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, where do they have that scripture from?

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Kim
Well, it doesn’t say you have to have them over you but it says, there’s a leader. So, they interpret leader…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
So, you mean like a scripture… in Hebrew? Let’s go there. Hebrew 13:7, right? One of them? Hebrews 13 says something about leader…

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Kim
Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
There you go.

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Kim
„’Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith,’ that’s Hebrews 13:7. I was in conversation with someone about this and they were adamant that we were supposed to be under leaders.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, my bible says, ‘Remember those who rule over you…’ and ‘rule’ when you look it up in Greek, what the word means, it means leader, one who goes in front of you. So, one who leads the way. So it means, it’s a relationship, you know. It’s not leading from top down but a relationship like Paul was leading the church. He stayed in their home, he was with them. He even says, ‘Follow me as I follow Christ.’ So, they saw his life, the saw the way he was with the Lord, you know his spiritual life. So leading is just where you go in front of them. ‘This is safe, go there. I will follow you, I will help you go there.’

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Kim
Yes, Paul never said, ‘Barnabas, you can not marry that woman!’

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Right, he never said…

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Kim
There’s no instance of a personal thing like that going on.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
 And then verse 17, that’s oftentimes a verse too, a scripture people don’t understand. Hebrews 3:17, ‘Obey those who rule over you and be submissive…’

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Kim
That’s the one. That’s the one.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
‘…for they watch for your souls as those who must give account.’ But ‘obey‘ (I’ve written here too), that means actually not obey but it has more the idea… ,where is it, to be persuaded by, that’s what Strong’s says, or the Vine Dictionary. ‘To be persuaded’ and it has something of trust, you know you have to trust those who go in front of you, let them persuade you to do something, it’s not just obey but let them persuade, listen to them, they could be wiser and have some wisdom, you know?

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Kim
That makes sense and even like – they’re quoting the word of God and somebody might not know the word of God but the leader might be saying, ‘This is the way, walk in it.’

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Bre
Again, it’s relationship, though right?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
It’s relationship!

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Bre
I might be in a church and I don’t even know my leader. I’ve been in that situation, so they wouldn’t be able to persuade me of anything.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
No, you have to know their lives and you have to be able to trust them. Trust comes by knowing a person, you know? And then it says, ‘Be submissive,’ and submissive is not just obeying whatever he says but submission is a quality of the heart. Obedience is an action. Submission is a quality of the heart.

When our kids were small, at that time when we had a car we didn’t have seat-belts in the back, so they were just sitting you know, on the seat and oftentimes they stood up because you know they like to watch outside, so we oftentimes had to say, ‘You sit down. You sit down now, you stay down!’ And then finally they did. They were obedient but they were not submissive because in their heart they didn’t like it. Yeah, so you can obey and not be submissive but Paul says, ‘Be submissive.’ So in your heart you have to be, but it doesn’t mean…you can be submissive and not be obedient, and not do what somebody says.

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Bre
So, in order to even be submissive of a leader, there must be a clearly defined leader?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
There are Elders in a House Church, of course there are Elders.

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Bre
Okay.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And an Elder is not a title at all, you know, but its again a function. It’s, when you understand the way that first Christians understood it, it was just an old man. It means someone who is older in faith and older in life experience, who could help you a little bit. And that’s actually what Elder is and when you go for instance to Acts 20. It’s maybe good to go there. When Paul calls for the Elders in Ephesus, it’s Acts 20, I think, vs. 27. Then he gives a clear definition of what Elder’s are. He speaks here to the Elders. He says, ‘Take heed to yourselves and to all the Flock among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.’

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Kim
Verse 28, by the way, just in case somebody…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yes, you are right, verse 28. So Elders, the one who take care for the sheep in the Home Church, first of all they take heed to themselves, meaning they are serious about their own Christian life with the Lord. And they are serious and take heed to all the flock. Those are the people that care for the people, you know? When someone is not there on a Sunday, they call them and say, ‘Are you doing okay?’ during the week. They check up on people. The persons who have a heart for people. So in Home Church one can easily find out who have a heart for people. Those are the Elders. There are always people who never care about anyone else is doing and even don’t think about it. Those are not Elders! Yeah, but Elders first of all take care of themselves and all the flock. You wanted to ask something?

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Bre
Yeah, I was just wondering then, do you appoint an Elder and make an official announcement so that it’s clear, or do you allow it to just happen naturally and people should kind of just glean?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
It comes by discernment, like in, um, we do not appoint Elders like that. We recognize the, we recognize the gifts and its always when you go to a Home Church, its clear who is the Elder. It’s clear, one who cares for the people, whose more mature in the Lord. Everyone knows it, it’s like Galatians 2:20, let’s go there, let me think, it’s Galatians 2:9. Oh, it’s not 20 at all. Okay, it says, ‘When James, Cephas (which was Peter) and John who seemed to be pillars, received the grace given to me,’ (it’s Paul speaking) ‘they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.’ So, they perceived the grace, it’s all about perceiving the grace in someone’s life.

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Bre
I see.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That’s something we are not taught, we are not used to perceive the grace because we look at titles. If he says he’s a Pastor, then he must be a Pastor, if he says Apostle, then he must be an Apostle.

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Bre
And education.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, and bible school but it’s all about character. When you go to 1 Timothy 3, the qualifications for leaders, for deacons and elders are actually being mature in the Lord that’s actually about character. Yeah, so…

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Kim
So, that tells me, within the Home Church, this should be a conversation, ‘I perceive that you… I perceive… it should be talked about.’

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, those gifts are perceived.

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Kim
Right.’

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Bre
And recognized.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And recognized, yes!

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Kim
You seem to have a gift of teaching, and recognize it.

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Bre
Yes, that makes sense.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, and I’ll do that, too, that’s fine, ‘I see that you are a teacher’ or ‘you are a sent one’. That’s good, we recognize and we honor the gift, the grace that’s given to you.

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Kim
And then read along with that the verses where the whole body fits together and the hand doesn’t say, ‘I don’t need you foot!’ We all need one another and nobodies better. We are all equal and we all need each other. So back to what Bre said about the covering and the Shepherd, part of your answer was, you are part of ‘Church Without Walls International‘. We have a Home Church here in Berlin. We are not connected to anyone. Does that mean we are wrong? Can that happen? Can you have a Home Church and not be connected?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Definitely because you are not connected!

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Bre
I think she means biblically. Can you do it? Should you do it?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Well, when you look at Acts there are churches that started off for instance in Philippi, you know when the Evangelists came and then, but at a certain point they did connect to more, to a network or to an Apostle or whatever, at a certain time, so yeah.

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Bre
So wisdom would say…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, I think it has some benefit to be connected to others. Yeah, to be honest, I do not see lone rangers. In the New Testament you see traveling back and forth, you know from different churches, Paul at a certain time. There was a prophet, Abagus, you know, Agabus, I don’t know how you pronounce it! But the Holy Spirit said there will be a famine and then they received an offering for the saints in Judea, so they were connected to the saints in Judea. And another time there was an offering for the saints in Jerusalem. They traveled there, so they knew each other. They were connected. It doesn’t mean it has to be on paper, but it’s a heart connection, you know, you feel connected to those people. You visit them, are part of them receive from one another.

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Bre
So, is it enough to be connected on an individual level? I’m just thinking, because we have relationships with Christians all over the world but not necessarily, they’re not necessarily Home Churches or specifically traditional churches but just the relational connection is really beautiful but should the body be connected as a group, you know.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
You see that here in Acts, that those churches were connected, they knew each other…

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Bre
As bodies.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
But it’s something that the Lord has to lead you, you know. Like He did with us, He connected us to Church Without Walls and we had no idea and it has been a great blessing because oftentimes when you are in a House Church when you’re, that’s another subject! About tithes and about money and how do you deal with that. Of course you give to one another but sometimes the need is so big that you do not have enough within your group, then it’s a great blessing if there is, if there are people you know with a network behind you, who can support you, you know.

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Kim
That is good.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
It’s not leading, but it’s from here (points to the heart), you know?

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Kim
One of the big questions that we had is concerning the five-fold ministry and I’ll read the verses that people are referring to. It’s Ephesians 4:11-12. And it says, ‘And he gave the Apostles, the prophets the evangelists, the Shepherds and teachers to equip the saints for the work of ministry for building up the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith.’ So…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That’s a very good scripture, but you have to understand that what Paul was writing here is in the context of House Church. So most often when you read a scripture, you think because people think traditional church or pyramid structure, I would say it, Pastor on top and the rest of the building is there, you know and the Pastor is the one who hears from God and the whole ministers and the Apostles are above the Prophets and teachers, whatever, and then the laymen or the lay Christians are there, but Paul wrote this in the context, is House Church.

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Bre
Okay.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And we have to know that those words… one of the rules for bible interpretation is that we have to understand or learn to understand how the first readers and hearers understood that word. Now when Paul was writing those words Apostle it was not like we think of as a type at all, it was a title, a verb. Apostle is ‘sent one’; Prophet is one who speaks for God; Evangelist is one who shares or explains the Gospel; Teacher is one who explains the word; and what more do we have? Did we mention all five of them?

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Kim
Like, um, we have a book here by John Fenn, we’ll give you the title. Well, I’ll just give it now. Good place. It’s called, ‘Return of the First Church’ by John Fenn and you can get that on Amazon, um, but he says regards the five-Fold, ‘The five-Fold ministries job is one of empowering the Saints to move into and learn to function in their gifts in daily life not a church program.’

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Right.

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Kim
Which I think is really powerful and when you were speaking about the Pastor, we say, ‘Pastor Mike’, ‘Pastor John’ like you’re right, like that’s a title but we wouldn’t say, ‘Hi Missionary Kim’, ‘Hi Evangelist Bre’!

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Right, or teacher, whatever.

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Kim
We don’t tend to do that. I love the idea that this is a gifting and not a title.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, it’s a function.

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Kim
I like that.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Sometimes Paul says ‘I Paul an Apostle of God’. He is just saying ‘I am sent by God’, you know.

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Bre
Sure, right, right.

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Kim
I refer to myself as a missionary, but I don’t want people to call me that. Right? Missionary Kim.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, yeah. You know who you are. You know what your function is.

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Kim
Yes. Another major question we are asked is: ‘How are you protected from not sliding into false doctrine? Who is helping you do that?’ Um, so can you respond to that?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Definitely. When you are in a small group and someone starts talking about weird stuff, it’s easily perceived by others, you know, it’s easy. Like, ‘What are you talking about? This is not right!’ And, I think definitely, when you are connected to others, and when you have questions like… for instance, we sometimes had questions like ‘He’s talking about this kind of stuff, have you ever heard about it?’. You go to someone you know and you speak about it. ‘What is going on? What is he talking about?’ And, yeah, I think it’s a safeguard to have more people around you that will protect you.

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Kim
Sure.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
There are many churches, big churches, who are just on themselves and it is maybe easier for them to fall into false doctrine.

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Kim
That’s a good point.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Then for home churches, because when you share something, that’s what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14, the chance is that it’s not received by others and that’s okay. So you talk about things, not like, I present this truth and it is the truth. No, everyone has the Holy Spirit in them, they can perceive something is from God or not.

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Kim
That’s a very good point.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And let’s be connected to someone who knows the word, too. I would always say to an Apostle, ‘Have some teaching’. Right? They were in the Apostles doctrine, and Paul oftentimes says to people, ‘I taught you this before.’ You know, so teaching, that is also very important and to teach over, and over, and over again and make sure that people are told the right things, the word of God and not just some strange doctrine.

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Kim
I really like that, because a lot of churches are in false doctrine.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah.

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Kim
So, my reply now might be, ‘Who protects your church from false doctrine?’

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Bre
Yeah. When people ask that question, it really irks me, because there are so many big groups who get led astray by their big charismatic leader.

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Kim
Exactly.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And they just swallow everything he says, because he is the pastor. He is from God…

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Kim
I’m thinking of Jim Jones. 900 people.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Mhmm.

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Bre
Throughout all of history big groups have been led astray by charismatic leaders, so the implication that because you’re smaller, you’re more likely … is just silly. Anybody can fall away.

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Kim
And I love the idea that we’re less likely … because we’re talking.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And because in home church, the idea is that you learn to have a relationship with God yourself you know, you learn that the Holy Spirit speaks, you learn to trust the witness inside of you, He is the Spirit of truth. And you probably know when you hear someone saying or a doctrine or whatever. Then something is inside, ehhh, ehhh, this is off, it is wrong. Sometimes you don’t know why, but just the Spirit is confirming, it’s saying this is wrong! You know that is a safeguard, too. That you trust one another that we all have the Holy Spirit. And oftentimes in those big churches when the pastor says something it is just swallowed because he knows more, he is from God and he speaks to us the word of God. And we are not taught to do that the Holy Spirit lives in us, too. That we can know from Him, that He will teach us all truth.

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Kim
And I’m sure you agree, the Bible has to be the foundation of …

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Of course.

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Kim
… every home church. ‘Study to show yourself approved unto God. A worker that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth’ (2 Timothy 2:15)

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, yeah. That’s what the church in Barea did I think …

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Kim
Yes.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
They went to scriptures to see if it was true.

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Kim
Right.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And that’s fine. Yeah. Look for yourself, go to the Word, if you don’t understand, ask  questions.

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Kim
Yes.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And that’s fine. Yeah. Look for yourself, go to the Word, if you don’t understand, ask  questions.

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Kim
That is the truth.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And change our thinking sometimes, right?

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Bre
Yes, often.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Oftentimes, yeah, that’s true.

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Bre
Let’s go back to the topic of tithing, you mentioned it briefly. How do you handle or what would you teach a home church network about how to handle tithe?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Well, here in Acts, in Acts 2 (vs. 42-47) and in Acts 4, it says that they gave to one another, that no one was lacking. Sometimes they sold lands, you know, but no one lacking because they couldn’t say anything was their own, not meaning that they didn’t have their own home, of course. But if anyone needed a house or I needed a jacket or needed whatever they helped each other and that’s what we see in our network, too. That’s why giving comes in first of all you give to one another if there is a need. And of course, as a home church, you can give to missionaries or whatever, as the Lord leads you. Yeah, but in the whole New Testament it’s not spoken about tithing, you know. I think the Old Testament, it was part because Israel came out of Egypt and had to become a nation and there had to be some funds for a nation. Compare it to like, we pay taxes, in the Netherlands of course, you do in Germany, too. To support the nation, a part of the tithing, to support Levites, who did not work. Actually it is very interesting, I looked it up, there are, I will not read it now, but if you have time and you are interested to do that about the tithing in Deutero…

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Kim
Deuteronomy.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
There you go. Deuteronomy 14:21-29 and then Deuteronomy 15:1-11 it talks about tithe and it even talks about that they eat the tithe. They give the tithe and then they divide it amongst the poor and amongst the Levites and sometimes they just throw a party and eat the tithe. Hah, That’s funny yeah. We never hear a preacher or pastor talk about tithe like that, right?

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Kim
This is a little off-topic but another beauty of the home church is you’re not having to pay all that money for a building, for heating, for a janitor, for security. You have a lot more money to give in home church.

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Bre
If you’re collecting 10 percent every week. Which we’re not, most home churches don’t I think.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
No you don’t see tithe, you see giving. Well you have to go to 2 Corinthians 8 and 2 Corinthians 9 it says ‘according to what one has’, you know. If you have more you give to someone who lacks and then another time, you lack and someone gives to you who has more. So there is an equality. And Paul speaks about giving what you purposed in your hearts and you give it cheerfully. Not, um, by, what’s the word, compulsion?

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Kim
„By compulsion.“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
By compulsion, yeah. You give it cheerfully and in 1 Corinthians 16 he does say, ‘Every sunday when you come together you put aside something’ so it is also a, not a habit, is a discipline to give. Oftentimes you see in a house church when there is freedom, and we don’t have to give our tithe anymore, now we are free and people forget to give. But giving is a part I think of who we are.

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Kim
Yes.

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Bre
„Right.“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
„God is a giving God. Giving is a part of righteousness. I never thought of righteousness that it is also part of giving. I always thought righteousness is being standing in right relationship with God, but the true definition of righteousness is not only standing right before God but also before your neighbor. And the part of righteousness ‘Tzedakah’ in Hebrew also means giving. So when you are in right standing before God and in right standing before your neighbor, your brother and sister it includes giving.”

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Kim
Amen.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
„That’s a part of righteousness.”

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Kim
And the Holy Spirit works that in us.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, yeah, yes. So you give as you are led by the Holy Spirit. I think when we would go back to Acts and see how they were giving we would be surprised because they gave way more than just 10 percent.

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Kim
Sure. Yes.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
So we have to be led by the Spirit. Of course in the Old Testament they were not spirit filled, so oftentimes, that’s what the law was for, the Lord wanted them protected and do the right thing. They did not do the right thing out of their hearts so He has to tell them. Yeah? He has to give them the law. Now the law is in our hearts and now giving comes from our hearts.

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Kim
Yes. And then the structured church, they have to give 10 percent they are drumming it up, to pay back, to pay the rent, pay this, pay that.

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Bre
Pay the salaries.

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Kim
Pay the salary, and there is such pressure to give on the people.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That’s right. And the first time, that’s also a good thing to mention, always go back to the first time something is mentioned in the scripture, because it sets a context. The first time tithing is mentioned is actually in Genesis 14 about Abraham he saw Melchizidek, you know. And he praised him and then it says ‘He gave him 10 percent of all he had’. It was not that Melchizedek, which is a type of Christ, said to him ‘You have to give me 10 percent’. No, out of his heart and his love he gave 10 percent.”

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Kim
That’s good.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
So giving is voluntary, it comes out of your heart, a free willing heart. You have to do it cheerfully. And not give to get, you know? We have done that in the past, because it was taught to us, you know. You five and then will receive and you sometimes our heart is like I give because I want to get.

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Bre
Mhmm. That’s right.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
We give because we love the Lord, we love our brothers and sisters. So tithing is actually way below the real biblical standard of giving. It’s so much more.

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Kim
Thank you.

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Bre
Wow, for me it would be a lesson to learn to show my need.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah.

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Bre
And I think, for most of us in the western culture. I’m thinking about our own home church, and I don’t think any of us would be that transparent, that we would say ‘I’m dead broke and I need some money’, you know?

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Kim
That’s very true.

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Bre
But that’s important, for a true relationship, to have that kind of transparency, so that’s another thing. It also humbles us, that I could see would be valuable for the Lord working out in our lives. That we have even more transparency with one another.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That’s good.

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Kim
Another question often is ‘So, when the home church, say grows and grows, that you have 50 people, how do you deal with that?’.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, often what we see when it grows beyond 15, 12-15, depending on the size of the living room, then something changes, the dynamic changes and you start sitting in rows, like that. And it’s not that you are connected anymore with one another. So then you go and see who are the leaders, you know? Who are the people that really have a heart for the Lord, of course you pray ‘Should we divide into two groups, maybe separate?’. That could be an idea, it could be an idea that you seperate, for instance the young couples with small kids and those who are maybe singles. Maybe sometimes they like to be together more. Now that’s something you could do, just talk about it. And just see if it works, if it doesn’t work, try something else. And even, although, of course you can separate but you can still stay connected. Maybe, you, once in a while you come together all of you. Maybe, why not rent a building once every two months. Invite everyone, have a meal and just catch up with everyone, that’s ok, don’t be afraid of renting a building or whatever, once in a while. But that should be the dynamic, if you feel the dynamic is changing, pray about it, what to do.

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Bre
So if you do end up having a large house church split into two groups, even three groups. Well, for example my husband always says, he would not be interested in having to have the role of overseeing those groups, or making sure that they stayed connected with one another. Would you say that it’s important that somebody does take that role and keeps track of those other groups.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Usually there is someone who likes to do that.

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Bre
There is usually, it comes naturally.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, it comes naturally.

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Bre
Someone just does it. And would you worry about appointing someone to do it to make sure that it doesn’t fall by the wayside?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
No, just talk about it.

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Bre
Uhuu

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Ank Kleinmeulman
‘Should we stay connected and how are we going to do that?’, or ‘Who wants to do it ?’ There are Apps, you know, group apps and that’s how you can stay connected and on the app you can say ‘Ok, would it be a nice time to come together, all of us?’ You know, just naturally. When you make programs or appoint things, it usually doesn’t work. That’s what we have experienced. Just being natural. Where is life, you know? Find life. That’s a big thing in house church , find where is the life. If the life is gone, change something. And you build just enough structure around that life, so the life can stay there, you know? And thats different than traditional church, because they put a structure and then they try breath life in it. Program, try to breath life in it. But in home churches you seek where is life, what works and jst protect that a little bit. A little bit of structure is okay.“

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Kim
I’d like to add, sometimes this is harder said then done. We went quite a while longing for home church before God brought the people. And you mentioned to us, yesterday, that you know some single women, that actually do home church online. They found other people and so we don’t want to glorify this, it can be hard. It might need prayer seeking, asking God to help you, find those people for home church.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, what we started doing, maybe 10 years ago, 10-11 years ago, was hosting a conference. At first it was one day in the Netherlands, then we felt led to do a weekend. And now we do like four days. And since we started doing that, it was actually a ‘God idea’ and people came from different nations. And we never thought about it actually, but they just came. They found us on our website. And because they came to the conference and we spent time together, and then there is that connection. It’s what the Holy Spirit does, he connects hearts, you know? And then when people leave they are like ‘Oh we want to stay connected’. So we had single women and stuff, and like people that were just on their own, a couple. They went back home and said ‘But we want to stay connected to you and we want to stay connected to them.’ That’s fine. And then they skyped and sometimes they said ‘Well, let’s do home church once a week, just call one another, pray for on another.’ And they do home church, there are some single women in different nations, one in Canada, one in Scotland and there is one in the Netherlands and there is one in Germany. And that’s hard to find the right timing of course because, you see, there is time. So one has to get up, the one in Canada has to get up in the middle of the night, but she does because she really, she really really loves it, you know the fellowship. And they decide who will lead next week, and then that person prepares something and they pray for one another, they see the Lord working miracles and they encourage one another. So that can be for some a season, who knows what will happen, maybe the Lord will add people to their home. That’s fine, but for a season it’s good. You know you get encouraged, but it comes by getting to know people. It’s not like you can say ‘Okay, you skype with you, when you skype with…’ Connection. Relationships.

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Bre
Mhm.

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Kim
That’s right. Today we did our own homechurch with you and BreAnna’s little boys were there jumping up and down and hollering and it did make it a little hard for me, I was teaching. Do you have any tips for those kind of situations.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
You have to see who is in your house church, does it bother people. As parents, do you feel like you have to walk on egg shells or something like that. Sometimes when there are more kids and they really make a lot of noise, it’s maybe better to take them apart for a while. Could be that that could work. When they grow up, we have seen small kids in the middle of the circle just coloring, you know, doing stuff like that or whatever, you know, they do. And that’s fine so it depends on what the people feel comfortable with, you are free to do whatever you like to do.

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Bre
Mhhmm.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Don’t get annoyed at the kids because they are part, they can hear from the Lord, too. We  have had small kids laying hands on people and really have a word from the Lord, just something small like ‘The Lord really loves you and is proud of you’. And that really touched that persons heart. That’s amazing, so do not exclude kids because they are part of it.

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Bre
So find a way to … how to help them to be, even for the short time.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Find a way how it works.

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Kim
Help the adults …

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Help the adults to deal with it and talk about it, you know. And you don’t want the people get so anxious about it or upset about it and suddenly leave because they can’t handle it. It’s not right. It’s not right. Yeah find a solution.

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Bre
Most traditional churches that I know, they tend to have like a banner, vision. Like ‘Okay, our vision for this year is … whatever.’ And usually that’s sort of ministry based or they might have a team that does evangelism and a team that maybe goes to hospitals. How do you … do you think it is important for a home church to try to facilitate group outreach or ministry activities or would you put that more on the individual?

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Ank Kleinmeulman
On the individual I think. We have had it in our home church that there was that one person and he actually pushed us to go to the streets every saturday. He was an evangelist, evangelistic heart. We did not like to do that, so we said ‘If you are fine to do that, you know, there are groups who go out on the street in our city, go there, join them, or do it by yourself, that’s okay.’ But he wanted the whole church to do that, so that didn’t work. Others were too busy so, yeah maybe you have a church full of people who would love to do that, then do what your heart is, but do not push it on everyone.

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Bre
Right. Okay, now say I am a person and I’ve been part of a church for however x-amount of years. I listen to this for example or I read the Megashift book and my heart is stirred and I think ‘Okay I want to do this.’ How would you advise that person to gracefully leave their church.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
That is oftentime hard because not many people understand house church. If they are open to listen to it then you can explain what house church is, do so if they do not just leave quietly, you know. Don’t talk bad about them, or whatever. They are always afraid, often times afraid that you will steal the sheep if you start you house church. Make sure you do that, you know. We never did that and then sometimes people, that could happen that after some time people in the church do join you as a home church but not from the beginning. It’s not wise to go out of church and take people with you. Be wise in that. Try not to offend anyone. Talk to them in peace if possible. And if not, just go. What else can you do, pray for them.

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Bre
That’s right. You’re a free person. Yeah, well this has been great. Thank you so much Ank, I mean there is probably a lot more questions. And I would say at this point if anybody wants to write in and ask questions, they can feel free and we do our best to answer them or to ask Ank and Wil…

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Yeah, you are always welcome to go to our website and email us or whatever.

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Bre
That’s right.

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Kim
Now there are a lot of books. Another one I have is a kindle book, it’s called ‘Unchurched’ and it was good as well, so there’s a lot of resources out there.

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Bre
That’s right. And when I wanted to find … with the ‘Church Without Walls International’ connect in Europe, I literally just wrote to John Fenn personally and to my great surprise he literally wrote me back. So this is a very relational network. So if you’re interested do look at the webpage. ‘Church Without Walls Internationalcwowi.eu

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Or supernaturalhousechurch.org

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Bre
Supernaturalhousechurch.org

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Kim
And John Fenn his last name is F-E-N-N.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And when you go for instance to YouTube you have to look for John C. Fenn because there is another John Fenn but not this John Fenn. So John C. Fenn.

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Bre
John C Fenn and the YouTube Videos are really great, I personally watched several and really enjoyed them. And the title of the book is …

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Kim
 ‘Return of the First Church’ – The open door to His glory (Amazon)

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Bre
„Or ‘Megashift’ by James Rutz are two good books we can recommend.“

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Kim
„Or ‘Unchurching’ – Christianity Without Churchianity by Richard Jacobson (Amazon)“

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Ank Kleinmeulman
One last thing, I remembered just now what the Lord told John, I don’t know, around 2000, when the Lord asked John to start a house church and a house church network. Then John asked ‘Why?’ and the Lord says ‘As it was in the beginning so must be now, I’m moving in relationships.’ And then ‘Be a resource for them.’ So that’s what a network is a resource not to dominate but to help, to be a resource.

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Bre
Amen.

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Kim
So good.

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Bre
Off the tape, before we started rolling, when I was asking Ank what would her title be and we came onto the word overseer, the european overseer. But that it was important that people understand, it’s not a pyramid structure, it doesn’t mean that she is watching all of the home church and telling them what they should do or this is the vision for the season. But it’s a support structure.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Support structure, we’re there to help you and we’re there to serve. That’s the word ‘Serve’. I think promotion in God’s kingdom is always down, you know, it’s down to more serving. Servanthood.

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Kim
„That’s so good.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
As the Lord laid down His life, he eventually, he died for us.

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Kim
As the Lord laid down His life, he eventually, he died for us.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
And that’s more harder, that’s harder.

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Bre
„Gosh it’s hard.“

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Kim
Well I’ve really enjoyed this, your insight, your wisdom has been wonderful for me. Very refreshing.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Thank you very much, it was a pleasure to be here.

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Bre
Thank you.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
I love you guys.

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Bre
Mutual. Okay thanks everyone, have a nice afternoon, day… bye bye.

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Kim
Bye.

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Ank Kleinmeulman
Bye.

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